PRO 48 Installation Guide
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PRO 48 Refrigeration 3 subzero.com/specs Sub-Zero PRO 48 Refrigeration The importance of the installation of the top freezer drawer compartment (drawer must be open drawer). The rating plate is located on the product rating plate. RATING PLATE ... to specifications on the upper refrigerator compartment and model 648PRO with a solid door. Important product information, including the model and serial number of 1/4" copper, braided stainless steel or PEX tubing and saddle valve for both the model 648PROG which features a glass door on the following pages. Installation...
PRO 48 Refrigeration 3 subzero.com/specs Sub-Zero PRO 48 Refrigeration The importance of the installation of the top freezer drawer compartment (drawer must be open drawer). The rating plate is located on the product rating plate. RATING PLATE ... to specifications on the upper refrigerator compartment and model 648PRO with a solid door. Important product information, including the model and serial number of 1/4" copper, braided stainless steel or PEX tubing and saddle valve for both the model 648PROG which features a glass door on the following pages. Installation...
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... old refrigerator or freezer, please do it safely. Both numbers are storing or disposing of our website, subzero.com or call Sub-Zero customer care at 800-222-7820. Remove the doors or tightly secure the doors closed. For the name and number of Sub-Zero factory certified service nearest you, check the contact & support section of your PRO 48...
... old refrigerator or freezer, please do it safely. Both numbers are storing or disposing of our website, subzero.com or call Sub-Zero customer care at 800-222-7820. Remove the doors or tightly secure the doors closed. For the name and number of Sub-Zero factory certified service nearest you, check the contact & support section of your PRO 48...
Sub-Zero Design Guide
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For flush inset applications, add 1/2" (13) to door clearance dimensions. Built-In Refrigeration 6 Built-In Models SPECIFICATIONS Interior Capacity R cu ft (L) ALL REFRIGERATOR / ALL FREEZER MODELS BI-36R 23.4 (663) BI-36RG 23.2 (657) BI-36F OVER-AND-UNDER MODELS BI-30U BI-30UG BI-36U BI-36UG 13.0 (368) ...) 8.0 (227) 8.1 (230) 9.5 (269) 9.6 (267) 9.7 (265) Shipping Weight ALL REFRIGERATOR / ALL FREEZER MODELS BI-36R BI-36RG BI-36F OVER-AND-UNDER MODELS BI-30U BI-30UG BI-36U BI-36UG SIDE-BY-SIDE MODELS BI-36S BI-42S BI-42SID BI-42SD BI-48S BI-48SID BI-48SD lbs (kg) 420 (191) 430...
For flush inset applications, add 1/2" (13) to door clearance dimensions. Built-In Refrigeration 6 Built-In Models SPECIFICATIONS Interior Capacity R cu ft (L) ALL REFRIGERATOR / ALL FREEZER MODELS BI-36R 23.4 (663) BI-36RG 23.2 (657) BI-36F OVER-AND-UNDER MODELS BI-30U BI-30UG BI-36U BI-36UG 13.0 (368) ...) 8.0 (227) 8.1 (230) 9.5 (269) 9.6 (267) 9.7 (265) Shipping Weight ALL REFRIGERATOR / ALL FREEZER MODELS BI-36R BI-36RG BI-36F OVER-AND-UNDER MODELS BI-30U BI-30UG BI-36U BI-36UG SIDE-BY-SIDE MODELS BI-36S BI-42S BI-42SID BI-42SD BI-48S BI-48SID BI-48SD lbs (kg) 420 (191) 430...
Sub-Zero Design Guide
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...W BI-36R / BI-36F B W BI-36RG A H A AH H W BI-30U / BI-36U A H W BI-30UG / BI-36UG Models BI-36R, BI-36RG and BI-36F REFRIGERATOR / FREEZER Door Panel W 353/4" (908) BI-36RG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W 251/2" (648) A 53/16" (132) H 699/16" (1767) H 541/16" (1373) B 105/16...) 4915/16" (1268) W 293/4" (756) H 1811/16" (475) W 191/2" (495) H 3911/16" (1008) A 53/16" (132) Models BI-36U and BI-36UG REFRIGERATOR Door Panel FREEZER Drawer Panel BI-36UG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W H 353/4" (908) 4915/16" (1268) W 353/4" (908) H 1811/16" (475) W 251/2" (648) H 3911/...
...W BI-36R / BI-36F B W BI-36RG A H A AH H W BI-30U / BI-36U A H W BI-30UG / BI-36UG Models BI-36R, BI-36RG and BI-36F REFRIGERATOR / FREEZER Door Panel W 353/4" (908) BI-36RG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W 251/2" (648) A 53/16" (132) H 699/16" (1767) H 541/16" (1373) B 105/16...) 4915/16" (1268) W 293/4" (756) H 1811/16" (475) W 191/2" (495) H 3911/16" (1008) A 53/16" (132) Models BI-36U and BI-36UG REFRIGERATOR Door Panel FREEZER Drawer Panel BI-36UG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W H 353/4" (908) 4915/16" (1268) W 353/4" (908) H 1811/16" (475) W 251/2" (648) H 3911/...
Sub-Zero Design Guide
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... / BI-42S / BI-42SID BI-42SD / BI-48SD BI-48S / BI-48SID Model BI-36S REFRIGERATOR Door Panel FREEZER Door Panel W 1913/16" (503) W 157/16" (392) H 699/16" (1767) H 699/16" (1767) Models BI-42S, BI-42SID and BI-42SD REFRIGERATOR Door Panel W 2413/16" (630) FREEZER Door Panel W 167/16" (418) BI-42SD Dispenser Cut-Out Cut...
... / BI-42S / BI-42SID BI-42SD / BI-48SD BI-48S / BI-48SID Model BI-36S REFRIGERATOR Door Panel FREEZER Door Panel W 1913/16" (503) W 157/16" (392) H 699/16" (1767) H 699/16" (1767) Models BI-42S, BI-42SID and BI-42SD REFRIGERATOR Door Panel W 2413/16" (630) FREEZER Door Panel W 167/16" (418) BI-42SD Dispenser Cut-Out Cut...
Sub-Zero Design Guide
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... above and below the glasswell for the partial framed option below the glasswell on the refrigerator door only. H W W BI-42SD / BI-48SD Partial framed option. Built-In Refrigeration 17 subzero.com/specs Framed Application PARTIAL FRAMED OPTION If you choose not to use ...dispenser model BI-42SD or BI-48SD, a stainless steel insert panel is available through your authorized Sub-Zero dealer. Optional Partial Framed Panels BI-42SD Refrigerator Panel Freezer Panel W 151/16" (383) 167/16" (418) BI-48SD Refrigerator Panel Freezer Panel W 183/4" (476) 183/4" (476) H 699/16" (1767) 699/16"...
... above and below the glasswell for the partial framed option below the glasswell on the refrigerator door only. H W W BI-42SD / BI-48SD Partial framed option. Built-In Refrigeration 17 subzero.com/specs Framed Application PARTIAL FRAMED OPTION If you choose not to use ...dispenser model BI-42SD or BI-48SD, a stainless steel insert panel is available through your authorized Sub-Zero dealer. Optional Partial Framed Panels BI-42SD Refrigerator Panel Freezer Panel W 151/16" (383) 167/16" (418) BI-48SD Refrigerator Panel Freezer Panel W 183/4" (476) 183/4" (476) H 699/16" (1767) 699/16"...
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... A AH H A AH W BI-36R / BI-36F B W BI-36RG H W BI-30U / BI-36U A H W BI-30UG / BI-36UG Models BI-36R, BI-36RG and BI-36F REFRIGERATOR / FREEZER Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 36" (914) 351/8" (892) 353/4" (908) H 693/4" (1772) 6815/16" (1751) 699/16" (1767) GRILLE Overlay Panel Spacer Panel... W 251/2" (648) A 51/4" (133) H 541/8" (1375) B 103/8" (264) Models BI-30U and BI-30UG REFRIGERATOR Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel BI-30UG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W 30...
... A AH H A AH W BI-36R / BI-36F B W BI-36RG H W BI-30U / BI-36U A H W BI-30UG / BI-36UG Models BI-36R, BI-36RG and BI-36F REFRIGERATOR / FREEZER Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 36" (914) 351/8" (892) 353/4" (908) H 693/4" (1772) 6815/16" (1751) 699/16" (1767) GRILLE Overlay Panel Spacer Panel... W 251/2" (648) A 51/4" (133) H 541/8" (1375) B 103/8" (264) Models BI-30U and BI-30UG REFRIGERATOR Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel BI-30UG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W 30...
Sub-Zero Design Guide
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... H H H H A B W W W W BI-36S / BI-42S / BI-42SID BI-42SD / BI-48SD BI-48S / BI-48SID Model BI-36S REFRIGERATOR Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 201/16" (510) 193/16" (487) 1913/16... 2" (51) H 127/16" (316) B 2813/16" (732) Models BI-48S, BI-48SID and BI-48SD REFRIGERATOR Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 283/4" (730) 277/8" (708) 281/2" (724) H 693/4" (1772) 6815/16" (1751) 699/16" (1767) FREEZER Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 19" (483) 181/8" (460) 183/4" ...
... H H H H A B W W W W BI-36S / BI-42S / BI-42SID BI-42SD / BI-48SD BI-48S / BI-48SID Model BI-36S REFRIGERATOR Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 201/16" (510) 193/16" (487) 1913/16... 2" (51) H 127/16" (316) B 2813/16" (732) Models BI-48S, BI-48SID and BI-48SD REFRIGERATOR Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 283/4" (730) 277/8" (708) 281/2" (724) H 693/4" (1772) 6815/16" (1751) 699/16" (1767) FREEZER Overlay Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 19" (483) 181/8" (460) 183/4" ...
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... FLUSH INSET PANEL 5/16" (8) 1/2" (13) 5/8" (16) DOOR 5/16" (8) 1/8" (3) Illus. B DOOR 1/4" (6) REVEAL CABINETRY 1/2" (13) GRILLE 1/8" 5/16" (3) (8) GRILLE DOOR Illus. F Refer to your specific model. A Illus. Panel Offsets ALL REFRIGERATOR / ALL FREEZER Door / Grille Sides Grille Top Grille Bottom / Door Top Door Bottom OVER-AND-UNDER Door / Drawer / Grille Sides Grille Top Grille Bottom / Door Top Door Bottom / Drawer Top Drawer Bottom SIDE...
... FLUSH INSET PANEL 5/16" (8) 1/2" (13) 5/8" (16) DOOR 5/16" (8) 1/8" (3) Illus. B DOOR 1/4" (6) REVEAL CABINETRY 1/2" (13) GRILLE 1/8" 5/16" (3) (8) GRILLE DOOR Illus. F Refer to your specific model. A Illus. Panel Offsets ALL REFRIGERATOR / ALL FREEZER Door / Grille Sides Grille Top Grille Bottom / Door Top Door Bottom OVER-AND-UNDER Door / Drawer / Grille Sides Grille Top Grille Bottom / Door Top Door Bottom / Drawer Top Drawer Bottom SIDE...
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...B H A AH H A AH W BI-36R / BI-36F B W BI-36RG H W BI-30U / BI-36U B H W BI-30UG / BI-36UG Models BI-36R, BI-36RG and BI-36F REFRIGERATOR / FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 37" (940) 351/8" (892) 353/4" (908) H 693/4" (1772) 6815/16" (1751) 699/16" (1767) GRILLE Flush Inset Panel... W 251/2" (648) A 53/4" (146) H 541/8" (1375) B 103/8" (264) Models BI-30U and BI-30UG REFRIGERATOR Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel BI-30UG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out...
...B H A AH H A AH W BI-36R / BI-36F B W BI-36RG H W BI-30U / BI-36U B H W BI-30UG / BI-36UG Models BI-36R, BI-36RG and BI-36F REFRIGERATOR / FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 37" (940) 351/8" (892) 353/4" (908) H 693/4" (1772) 6815/16" (1751) 699/16" (1767) GRILLE Flush Inset Panel... W 251/2" (648) A 53/4" (146) H 541/8" (1375) B 103/8" (264) Models BI-30U and BI-30UG REFRIGERATOR Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel BI-30UG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out...
Sub-Zero Design Guide
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... H H H H A B W W W W BI-36S / BI-42S / BI-42SID BI-42SD / BI-48SD BI-48S / BI-48SID Model BI-36S REFRIGERATOR Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 209/16" (522) 193/16" (487...227) DISPENSER (BI-42SD) Dispenser Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W 57/8" (149) A 2" (51) H 127/16" (316) B 2813/16" (732) Models BI-48S, BI-48SID and BI-48SD REFRIGERATOR Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 291/4" (743) 277/8" (708) 281/2" (724) H 693/4" (1772) 6815/16" (1751) 699/16" (1767...
... H H H H A B W W W W BI-36S / BI-42S / BI-42SID BI-42SD / BI-48SD BI-48S / BI-48SID Model BI-36S REFRIGERATOR Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 209/16" (522) 193/16" (487...227) DISPENSER (BI-42SD) Dispenser Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W 57/8" (149) A 2" (51) H 127/16" (316) B 2813/16" (732) Models BI-48S, BI-48SID and BI-48SD REFRIGERATOR Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel W 291/4" (743) 277/8" (708) 281/2" (724) H 693/4" (1772) 6815/16" (1751) 699/16" (1767...
Sub-Zero Design Guide
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...be accomplished using two units with opposite hinges. Panel Offsets ALL REFRIGERATOR / ALL FREEZER Doors (hinge) / Grille Sides Doors (handle) Sides Grille Top Grille Bottom / Door Top Door Bottom OVER-AND-UNDER Doors (hinge) / Drawer / Grille Sides Doors (handle) Sides Grille Top Grille Bottom / Door Top Door Bottom / Drawer Top Drawer Bottom Illus. B CABINETRY 1/2" ... website, subzerotrade.com. Adjustments to the panel offsets will also need to panels and the Sub-Zero unit. Refer to the chart below have been adjusted to your specific model. Panel dimensions in panel dimensions.
...be accomplished using two units with opposite hinges. Panel Offsets ALL REFRIGERATOR / ALL FREEZER Doors (hinge) / Grille Sides Doors (handle) Sides Grille Top Grille Bottom / Door Top Door Bottom OVER-AND-UNDER Doors (hinge) / Drawer / Grille Sides Doors (handle) Sides Grille Top Grille Bottom / Door Top Door Bottom / Drawer Top Drawer Bottom Illus. B CABINETRY 1/2" ... website, subzerotrade.com. Adjustments to the panel offsets will also need to panels and the Sub-Zero unit. Refer to the chart below have been adjusted to your specific model. Panel dimensions in panel dimensions.
Sub-Zero Design Guide
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...H H B H A AH H A AH W BI-36R / BI-36F B W BI-36RG H W BI-30U / BI-36U B H W BI-30UG / BI-36UG BI-36R, BI-36RG and BI-36F REFRIGERATOR / FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel BI-36RG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W 361/2" (927.../16" (211) 815/16" (227) W 25" (635) A 53/4" (146) H 541/8" (1375) B 103/8" (264) BI-30U and BI-30UG REFRIGERATOR Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel BI-30UG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out...
...H H B H A AH H A AH W BI-36R / BI-36F B W BI-36RG H W BI-30U / BI-36U B H W BI-30UG / BI-36UG BI-36R, BI-36RG and BI-36F REFRIGERATOR / FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel BI-36RG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out Location W 361/2" (927.../16" (211) 815/16" (227) W 25" (635) A 53/4" (146) H 541/8" (1375) B 103/8" (264) BI-30U and BI-30UG REFRIGERATOR Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel FREEZER Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel GRILLE Flush Inset Panel Spacer Panel Backer Panel BI-30UG Window Cut-Out Cut-Out...
PRO 48 Use & Care Guide
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...glass door on model 648PROG or top-tobottom stainless steel on a 60-year tradition of 34°F (1°C) to read the warranty statement at 800-222-7820 or visit our website, subzero.com. Take a moment to 45°F (7°C), for proper humidity levels tailored for purchasing your new Sub-Zero PRO 48 unit. Both refrigerator and freezer... maintain accurate, consistent temperatures. Sub-Zero dual refrigeration is also more energy efficient than any other system available.
...glass door on model 648PROG or top-tobottom stainless steel on a 60-year tradition of 34°F (1°C) to read the warranty statement at 800-222-7820 or visit our website, subzero.com. Take a moment to 45°F (7°C), for proper humidity levels tailored for purchasing your new Sub-Zero PRO 48 unit. Both refrigerator and freezer... maintain accurate, consistent temperatures. Sub-Zero dual refrigeration is also more energy efficient than any other system available.
PRO 48 Use & Care Guide
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PRO 48 Features 4 PRO 48 Features • Can be built in or, with the freestanding accessory kit, used in a freestanding application. • Stainless steel construction, inside and out, for professional strength and beauty. • Dual refrigeration system with two compressors and three evaporators keep foods fresher ... UL approved for US and Canada. • Sub-Zero products are left open. • Holiday mode allows you know when doors or drawers are covered by Star-K to meet strict religious regulations in elevation, high altitude glass is fresh. • Easy-access grille flips ...
PRO 48 Features 4 PRO 48 Features • Can be built in or, with the freestanding accessory kit, used in a freestanding application. • Stainless steel construction, inside and out, for professional strength and beauty. • Dual refrigeration system with two compressors and three evaporators keep foods fresher ... UL approved for US and Canada. • Sub-Zero products are left open. • Holiday mode allows you know when doors or drawers are covered by Star-K to meet strict religious regulations in elevation, high altitude glass is fresh. • Easy-access grille flips ...
PRO 48 Use & Care Guide
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PRO 48 Models PRO 48 Models MODELS 648PRO AND 648PROG Stainless steel construction Easy-access grille Exterior freezer temperature display Location of water filter Sidewall lighting Auto-close hinge system Adjustable stainless steel shelves Location of rating plate (open drawer) Automatic ice maker Model 648PROG with glass door shown. 5 subzero.com Dual refrigeration system Exterior refrigerator temperature display Microprocessor Touch...
PRO 48 Models PRO 48 Models MODELS 648PRO AND 648PROG Stainless steel construction Easy-access grille Exterior freezer temperature display Location of water filter Sidewall lighting Auto-close hinge system Adjustable stainless steel shelves Location of rating plate (open drawer) Automatic ice maker Model 648PROG with glass door shown. 5 subzero.com Dual refrigeration system Exterior refrigerator temperature display Microprocessor Touch...
PRO 48 Use & Care Guide
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... the top of the refrigerator door compartment has key pads to Celsius, turn the unit off then back on , press and hold the ALARM key pad and the POWER key pad simultaneously for refrigerator compartments. Refer to convert from the Sub-Zero factory. Follow the same procedure to the illustrations below . Freezer Temperature Ice Maker Power...
... the top of the refrigerator door compartment has key pads to Celsius, turn the unit off then back on , press and hold the ALARM key pad and the POWER key pad simultaneously for refrigerator compartments. Refer to convert from the Sub-Zero factory. Follow the same procedure to the illustrations below . Freezer Temperature Ice Maker Power...
PRO 48 Use & Care Guide
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...; Has a door or drawer been left open for an extended period? Refrigerator / freezer is illuminated in the exterior temperature display. • The microprocessor has sensed a problem with the POWER key pad and then restart by pressing the key pad again. If not, call Sub-Zero customer care at...recently? If 'SERVICE' is still flashing, call Sub-Zero customer care at 800-222-7820. 'SERVICE' is no excess water, turn off the water at 800-222-7820. Troubleshooting Guide 28 Troubleshooting If your PRO 48 unit is not obstructing proper door or drawer closing . • Has a ...
...; Has a door or drawer been left open for an extended period? Refrigerator / freezer is illuminated in the exterior temperature display. • The microprocessor has sensed a problem with the POWER key pad and then restart by pressing the key pad again. If not, call Sub-Zero customer care at...recently? If 'SERVICE' is still flashing, call Sub-Zero customer care at 800-222-7820. 'SERVICE' is no excess water, turn off the water at 800-222-7820. Troubleshooting Guide 28 Troubleshooting If your PRO 48 unit is not obstructing proper door or drawer closing . • Has a ...
PRO 48 Use & Care Guide
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...bulbs. Troubleshooting Guide 2 subzero.com Troubleshooting Refrigerator / freezer is frosted up . • Clean the condenser area. Be sure doors and drawers are listed on the product rating plate located at the top frame of the freezer section heats up . • Has a door or drawer been left open . Light bulb...; Cover all food tightly and discard outdated food. You need the model and serial number of our website, subzero.com or call Sub-Zero customer care at 800-222-7820. • When calling for service, you may be normal operating sounds related to the unit at...
...bulbs. Troubleshooting Guide 2 subzero.com Troubleshooting Refrigerator / freezer is frosted up . • Clean the condenser area. Be sure doors and drawers are listed on the product rating plate located at the top frame of the freezer section heats up . • Has a door or drawer been left open . Light bulb...; Cover all food tightly and discard outdated food. You need the model and serial number of our website, subzero.com or call Sub-Zero customer care at 800-222-7820. • When calling for service, you may be normal operating sounds related to the unit at...
PROG 48 Energy Guide
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Refrigerator-Freezer • Automatic Defrost • Side-Mounted Freezer • Without Through-the-Door Ice Sub-Zero, Inc. No. 7023296 Cost Range of Similar Models 691 kWh Estimated Yearly Electricity Use Your cost will depend on your utility rates and use. • Cost range based only on models of similar capacity with automatic defrost, side-mounted freezer, and...
Refrigerator-Freezer • Automatic Defrost • Side-Mounted Freezer • Without Through-the-Door Ice Sub-Zero, Inc. No. 7023296 Cost Range of Similar Models 691 kWh Estimated Yearly Electricity Use Your cost will depend on your utility rates and use. • Cost range based only on models of similar capacity with automatic defrost, side-mounted freezer, and...