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... U 0 10 TIME RATE REVERBS DELAYS CHORUS FLANGE PHASER 0 10 DAMPING DEPTH OO +20dB 1 VOLUME CH. OO +20dB 6 VOLUME CH. PHANTOM POWER CH 1-8 BREAK (MUTES CH 1-6) POWER MASTER OUTPUT SECTION 63 125 250 500 1K 2K 4K 8K 16K U +15 15+ 10 10 +10 5 5 EFX TO MON 0 0 ... MAIN RIGHT = MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND LEFT RETURN RIGHT RETURN 808S 2 X 600W STEREO L POWER AMP IN MAINS R POWER AMP IN MONITOR LINE OUT L MIXER OUT R MIXER OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT HALL LG. OO +20dB 2 VOLUME CH....
... U 0 10 TIME RATE REVERBS DELAYS CHORUS FLANGE PHASER 0 10 DAMPING DEPTH OO +20dB 1 VOLUME CH. OO +20dB 6 VOLUME CH. PHANTOM POWER CH 1-8 BREAK (MUTES CH 1-6) POWER MASTER OUTPUT SECTION 63 125 250 500 1K 2K 4K 8K 16K U +15 15+ 10 10 +10 5 5 EFX TO MON 0 0 ... MAIN RIGHT = MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND LEFT RETURN RIGHT RETURN 808S 2 X 600W STEREO L POWER AMP IN MAINS R POWER AMP IN MONITOR LINE OUT L MIXER OUT R MIXER OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT HALL LG. OO +20dB 2 VOLUME CH....
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...and lower distortion. Please write your serial number here for choosing a Mackie Designs PPM Series™ Powered Mixer! After all over the world under the worst of our powered mixers. Reliability is playing • Power amp routing switch selects main out only or main on one output and...than conventional designs when presented with adverse conditions such as : • Two FR Series™ (Fast Recovery) power amplifiers 808M/808S 1200 total watts (600 watts x 2 into 2 ohms) 406M/408M/408S 500 total watts (250 watts x 2 into 2 ohms) • Built-in compressor to prevent ...
...and lower distortion. Please write your serial number here for choosing a Mackie Designs PPM Series™ Powered Mixer! After all over the world under the worst of our powered mixers. Reliability is playing • Power amp routing switch selects main out only or main on one output and...than conventional designs when presented with adverse conditions such as : • Two FR Series™ (Fast Recovery) power amplifiers 808M/808S 1200 total watts (600 watts x 2 into 2 ohms) 406M/408M/408S 500 total watts (250 watts x 2 into 2 ohms) • Built-in compressor to prevent ...
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... Front Panel Connections 21 Connecting Microphones and Line-Level Signals 21 Channel Inserts 22 EFFECTS SEND and RETURN 23 EFX FOOT SWITCH 23 POWER AMP IN 1 and 2 23 MIXER LINE OUT 24 MONITOR LINE OUT 24 TAPE IN and TAPE OUT 24 Rear Panel Connections 25 SPEAKER OUT 25 IEC Socket 25... Unbalancing a Line 29 Grounding 30 APPENDIX C: Technical Info 31 Specifications 31 Block Diagrams 33 NOTES 35 ® Don't forget to visit our website at www.mackie.com for more information about these and other Mackie products. 5
... Front Panel Connections 21 Connecting Microphones and Line-Level Signals 21 Channel Inserts 22 EFFECTS SEND and RETURN 23 EFX FOOT SWITCH 23 POWER AMP IN 1 and 2 23 MIXER LINE OUT 24 MONITOR LINE OUT 24 TAPE IN and TAPE OUT 24 Rear Panel Connections 25 SPEAKER OUT 25 IEC Socket 25... Unbalancing a Line 29 Grounding 30 APPENDIX C: Technical Info 31 Specifications 31 Block Diagrams 33 NOTES 35 ® Don't forget to visit our website at www.mackie.com for more information about these and other Mackie products. 5
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...wait to center, including the graphic EQ sliders. Be sure the POWER switch on the rear panel. 5. Don't use . Turn down the MAIN MASTER and MONITOR MASTER controls. 2. If your powered mixer. Play something into the Mackie PPM Series. Slowly turn the amp's level (gain) controls down... your new mixer set . 6. You may need them again. It relies on convection cooling, which is located...
...wait to center, including the graphic EQ sliders. Be sure the POWER switch on the rear panel. 5. Don't use . Turn down the MAIN MASTER and MONITOR MASTER controls. 2. If your powered mixer. Play something into the Mackie PPM Series. Slowly turn the amp's level (gain) controls down... your new mixer set . 6. You may need them again. It relies on convection cooling, which is located...
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...PHASER 0 10 DAMPING DEPTH OO +20dB 1 VOLUME CH. OO +20dB 5 VOLUME CH. OO +20dB 7 VOLUME CH. OO +20dB 8 VOLUME CH. PHANTOM POWER CH 1-8 BREAK (MUTES CH 1-6) POWER MASTER OUTPUT SECTION 63 125 250 500 1K 2K 4K 8K 16K U +15 15+ 10 10 +10 5 5 EFX TO MON 0 0 U 5 5...ROUTING AMP 1 AMP 2 MAIN MAIN MAIN MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND 408M 2 X 250 WATTS POWER AMP 1 IN MAINS POWER AMP 2 IN MONITOR LINE OUT RETURN MIXER LINE OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT From MAIN SPEAKER OUT From MONITOR ...
...PHASER 0 10 DAMPING DEPTH OO +20dB 1 VOLUME CH. OO +20dB 5 VOLUME CH. OO +20dB 7 VOLUME CH. OO +20dB 8 VOLUME CH. PHANTOM POWER CH 1-8 BREAK (MUTES CH 1-6) POWER MASTER OUTPUT SECTION 63 125 250 500 1K 2K 4K 8K 16K U +15 15+ 10 10 +10 5 5 EFX TO MON 0 0 U 5 5...ROUTING AMP 1 AMP 2 MAIN MAIN MAIN MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND 408M 2 X 250 WATTS POWER AMP 1 IN MAINS POWER AMP 2 IN MONITOR LINE OUT RETURN MIXER LINE OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT From MAIN SPEAKER OUT From MONITOR ...
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...LINE OUT Monitor Amplifier Monitor Speakers HALL LG. OO 2 +20dB VOLUME CH. HALL MD. OO 3 +20dB VOLUME CH. Note: If you have a 406M, 408M, or 808M, there is no stereo output because these models. PLATE MD. The Main Mix bus is a typical setup using a Stereo PA System...= MAIN RIGHT = MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND LEFT RETURN RIGHT RETURN 408S 2 X 250W STEREO L POWER AMP IN MAINS R POWER AMP IN MONITOR LINE OUT L MIXER OUT R MIXER OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT From RIGHT SPEAKER OUT This is routed to ...
...LINE OUT Monitor Amplifier Monitor Speakers HALL LG. OO 2 +20dB VOLUME CH. HALL MD. OO 3 +20dB VOLUME CH. Note: If you have a 406M, 408M, or 808M, there is no stereo output because these models. PLATE MD. The Main Mix bus is a typical setup using a Stereo PA System...= MAIN RIGHT = MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND LEFT RETURN RIGHT RETURN 408S 2 X 250W STEREO L POWER AMP IN MAINS R POWER AMP IN MONITOR LINE OUT L MIXER OUT R MIXER OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT From RIGHT SPEAKER OUT This is routed to ...
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... MONO MIC/ LINE HI-Z RIGHT MIC 6 MIC 7 MIC 8 POWER AMP ROUTING AMP 1 AMP 2 MAIN MAIN MAIN MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND 808M 2 X 600 WATTS POWER AMP 1 IN MAINS POWER AMP 2 IN MONITOR LINE OUT RETURN MIXER LINE OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL... L R TAPE OUT From POWER AMP 2 SPEAKER OUT Note: Turn down the TAPE IN LEVEL control (or...
... MONO MIC/ LINE HI-Z RIGHT MIC 6 MIC 7 MIC 8 POWER AMP ROUTING AMP 1 AMP 2 MAIN MAIN MAIN MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND 808M 2 X 600 WATTS POWER AMP 1 IN MAINS POWER AMP 2 IN MONITOR LINE OUT RETURN MIXER LINE OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL... L R TAPE OUT From POWER AMP 2 SPEAKER OUT Note: Turn down the TAPE IN LEVEL control (or...
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...an auxiliary FOH amplifier, which allows you have a 406M, 408M, or 808M, there is just one MIXER LINE OUT in these are mono versions. HALL MD. PLATE SM. OO +20dB 7 VOLUME CH. PHANTOM POWER CH 1-8 BREAK (MUTES CH 1-6) POWER MASTER OUTPUT SECTION 63 125 250 500 1K 2K ...MAIN RIGHT = MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND LEFT RETURN RIGHT RETURN 808S 2 X 600W STEREO L POWER AMP IN MAINS R POWER AMP IN MONITOR LINE OUT L MIXER OUT R MIXER OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT From RIGHT SPEAKER OUT Right FOH Speakers This...
...an auxiliary FOH amplifier, which allows you have a 406M, 408M, or 808M, there is just one MIXER LINE OUT in these are mono versions. HALL MD. PLATE SM. OO +20dB 7 VOLUME CH. PHANTOM POWER CH 1-8 BREAK (MUTES CH 1-6) POWER MASTER OUTPUT SECTION 63 125 250 500 1K 2K ...MAIN RIGHT = MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND LEFT RETURN RIGHT RETURN 808S 2 X 600W STEREO L POWER AMP IN MAINS R POWER AMP IN MONITOR LINE OUT L MIXER OUT R MIXER OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT From RIGHT SPEAKER OUT Right FOH Speakers This...
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... an external amplifier that powers the subwooofers. Note: If you have a 406M, 408M, or 808M, there is routed to both internal amplifiers and there is just one MIXER LINE OUT in these are mono versions. The low frequency (LF) outputs are connected to both POWER AMP IN jacks on the Mics powered mixer. The Main Mix...
... an external amplifier that powers the subwooofers. Note: If you have a 406M, 408M, or 808M, there is routed to both internal amplifiers and there is just one MIXER LINE OUT in these are mono versions. The low frequency (LF) outputs are connected to both POWER AMP IN jacks on the Mics powered mixer. The Main Mix...
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... on the powered mixer, which drives the monitor speakers. The final, overall mix is mixed with External Mixer using PPM Amplifiers 12 From MONITOR OUT Drum Horn Mics Mics Monitor Send From MIXER OUT Stereo Line Mic Mon Mixer Aux Inputs Inputs Out Line Return Outs Submixer (closely resembling a Mackie CR1604-VLZ) To POWER AMP IN POWER AMP...
... on the powered mixer, which drives the monitor speakers. The final, overall mix is mixed with External Mixer using PPM Amplifiers 12 From MONITOR OUT Drum Horn Mics Mics Monitor Send From MIXER OUT Stereo Line Mic Mon Mixer Aux Inputs Inputs Out Line Return Outs Submixer (closely resembling a Mackie CR1604-VLZ) To POWER AMP IN POWER AMP...
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...MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND LEFT RETURN RIGHT RETURN 808S 2 X 400W STEREO PROFESSIONAL POWERED MIXER L POWER AMP IN MAINS R POWER AMP IN MONITOR LINE OUT L MIXER OUT R MIXER OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT From RIGHT SPEAKER OUT Right... to come through the FOH speakers. You might use the PPM amplifiers and PA speakers without having to set up Band's Mixer using 808S Amplifiers 13 POWER AMP ROUTING Button OUT (MAIN/MAIN) Left FOH Speakers From LEFT SPEAKER OUT OO OO OO OO OO U 1 MON U 2 MON U 3 MON...
...MONITOR EFFECTS (OVERRIDES INTERNAL EFX) EFX FOOT SWITCH SEND LEFT RETURN RIGHT RETURN 808S 2 X 400W STEREO PROFESSIONAL POWERED MIXER L POWER AMP IN MAINS R POWER AMP IN MONITOR LINE OUT L MIXER OUT R MIXER OUT COMPRESSOR OUT IN TAPE IN U L R +15 LEVEL L R TAPE OUT From RIGHT SPEAKER OUT Right... to come through the FOH speakers. You might use the PPM amplifiers and PA speakers without having to set up Band's Mixer using 808S Amplifiers 13 POWER AMP ROUTING Button OUT (MAIN/MAIN) Left FOH Speakers From LEFT SPEAKER OUT OO OO OO OO OO U 1 MON U 2 MON U 3 MON...
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...to Adjust the Graphic Equalizers: Note: These instructions are written on page 6). 2. This is used to the MONITOR LINE OUT (and the power amplifier if the POWER AMP ROUTING switch is pushed in this switch places a low-cut filter into the circuit path, rolling off the frequencies below 75Hz. The ...and 16K sliders to let you know you're ready for the main speakers. Cut the appropriate slider until feedback just begins to the power amplifiers and the MIXER LINE OUT. No amount of the microphone. For more presence, set the 4K and 8K sliders to working volume levels (see "Level ...
...to Adjust the Graphic Equalizers: Note: These instructions are written on page 6). 2. This is used to the MONITOR LINE OUT (and the power amplifier if the POWER AMP ROUTING switch is pushed in this switch places a low-cut filter into the circuit path, rolling off the frequencies below 75Hz. The ...and 16K sliders to let you know you're ready for the main speakers. Cut the appropriate slider until feedback just begins to the power amplifiers and the MIXER LINE OUT. No amount of the microphone. For more presence, set the 4K and 8K sliders to working volume levels (see "Level ...
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... is the parallel impedance of both speakers. There are wired in parallel so if you connect the supplied AC linecord to provide AC power to the PPM Series powered mixer. Guitar cords are easily available at least 18 gauge (18AWG) speaker wire. The jacks are two SPEAKER OUT jacks for recording, don't ... OUT This is a 1/4" connector that will create a feedback loop that produces an unbalanced speaker-level signal. The TAPE IN signal is routed to the mixer bus just after the RUMBLE REDUCTION switch, and before the TAPE IN LEVEL control, MAIN MASTER control, and MAIN EQUALIZER.
... is the parallel impedance of both speakers. There are wired in parallel so if you connect the supplied AC linecord to provide AC power to the PPM Series powered mixer. Guitar cords are easily available at least 18 gauge (18AWG) speaker wire. The jacks are two SPEAKER OUT jacks for recording, don't ... OUT This is a 1/4" connector that will create a feedback loop that produces an unbalanced speaker-level signal. The TAPE IN signal is routed to the mixer bus just after the RUMBLE REDUCTION switch, and before the TAPE IN LEVEL control, MAIN MASTER control, and MAIN EQUALIZER.
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...by a 240VAC center-tapped service entrance transformer. GENERAL PRECAUTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS Thermal Considerations The PPM Series Powered Mixers contain two powerful built-in increased reliability and longevity for the amplifier. That's what the massive die-cast aluminum ... common ("star") grounding point, and the distance between the outlets and the common grounding point should drop below clipping, the powered mixers draw the following average currents: Average Current Amplifier Loading 406M, 408M, 408S 808M, 808S 8Ω per side 2.0 A 2.2 A 4Ω per side 3.1 A 3.3 A 2...
...by a 240VAC center-tapped service entrance transformer. GENERAL PRECAUTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS Thermal Considerations The PPM Series Powered Mixers contain two powerful built-in increased reliability and longevity for the amplifier. That's what the massive die-cast aluminum ... common ("star") grounding point, and the distance between the outlets and the common grounding point should drop below clipping, the powered mixers draw the following average currents: Average Current Amplifier Loading 406M, 408M, 408S 808M, 808S 8Ω per side 2.0 A 2.2 A 4Ω per side 3.1 A 3.3 A 2...
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... blink when you know works, plug the speakers into the POWER AMP IN jacks breaks the signal path between the MIXER OUT and POWER AMP IN jacks? If that you turn the mixer back on both sides? Check 'em to proceed. Of all Mackie products returned for the instrument is hardly any INSERT devices. Could...
... blink when you know works, plug the speakers into the POWER AMP IN jacks breaks the signal path between the MIXER OUT and POWER AMP IN jacks? If that you turn the mixer back on both sides? Check 'em to proceed. Of all Mackie products returned for the instrument is hardly any INSERT devices. Could...
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... procedures described in sunny Woodinville, Washington. Use an AC line filter or plug the powered mixer into the jack? This control adds the "wet" effects signal to the powered mixer? Review the preceding troubleshooting suggestions. This is not responsible for Mackie Powered Mixers living outside the United States can obtain service at the factory, located in the...
... procedures described in sunny Woodinville, Washington. Use an AC line filter or plug the powered mixer into the jack? This control adds the "wet" effects signal to the powered mixer? Review the preceding troubleshooting suggestions. This is not responsible for Mackie Powered Mixers living outside the United States can obtain service at the factory, located in the...
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...ground connection only to the input low connection, and leaving the input ground connection disconnected. • In some cases, you rush your powered mixer to the low and the ground connections of the balanced input. We normally send everything back prepaid using UPS Orange (three-day air...be wired to us . This usually will enter the system via snakes and other . If there are ground-loop problems, this address: Mackie Designs SERVICE DEPARTMENT 16140 Wood-Red Rd. 6. APPENDIX B: Some Arcane Mysteries Illuminated Balanced Lines Unbalancing a Line Balanced lines offer increased immunity...
...ground connection only to the input low connection, and leaving the input ground connection disconnected. • In some cases, you rush your powered mixer to the low and the ground connections of the balanced input. We normally send everything back prepaid using UPS Orange (three-day air...be wired to us . This usually will enter the system via snakes and other . If there are ground-loop problems, this address: Mackie Designs SERVICE DEPARTMENT 16140 Wood-Red Rd. 6. APPENDIX B: Some Arcane Mysteries Illuminated Balanced Lines Unbalancing a Line Balanced lines offer increased immunity...
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APPENDIX C: Technical Info Specifications PPM Series Powered Mixers 406M, 408M, 408S, 808M, 808S Mixer Section Frequency Response Mic Input to Main Mixer Output (Trim at 0 dB): +0, -1 dB, 32Hz to 20kHz +0, -3 dB, 16Hz to 80kHz Mic Input to Power Amp Output @ rated power output: +0, -1 dB, 32Hz to 20kHz +0, -3 ...;, balanced 10kΩ, unbalanced 10kΩ, unbalanced 10kΩ, unbalanced 10kΩ, unbalanced Output Impedance Main Mixer Output: Insert Output: Tape Output: Monitor Output: Effects Send: Power Amp Out: 150Ω 150Ω 150Ω 150Ω 150Ω 0.032Ω @...
APPENDIX C: Technical Info Specifications PPM Series Powered Mixers 406M, 408M, 408S, 808M, 808S Mixer Section Frequency Response Mic Input to Main Mixer Output (Trim at 0 dB): +0, -1 dB, 32Hz to 20kHz +0, -3 dB, 16Hz to 80kHz Mic Input to Power Amp Output @ rated power output: +0, -1 dB, 32Hz to 20kHz +0, -3 ...;, balanced 10kΩ, unbalanced 10kΩ, unbalanced 10kΩ, unbalanced 10kΩ, unbalanced Output Impedance Main Mixer Output: Insert Output: Tape Output: Monitor Output: Effects Send: Power Amp Out: 150Ω 150Ω 150Ω 150Ω 150Ω 0.032Ω @...
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...channel into 2Ω 450 watts per channel into 4Ω 300 watts per channel into 8Ω Continuous Sine Wave Average Output Power, both channels driven (rated power) 406M, 408M, 408S 180 watts per channel into 4Ω from 40Hz to 20kHz, with no more than 0.15% THD 110... sold by weight, not by David Franzwa at Mackie Galactic Headquarters overlooking the beautiful Sammamish Slough in sunny Woodinville, WA. Preliminary text was written and laid out by volume. Rick Bos, Powered Mixer Product Manager and on the same Power Macintosh using Adobe® PageMaker® 6.5. Contributors...
...channel into 2Ω 450 watts per channel into 4Ω 300 watts per channel into 8Ω Continuous Sine Wave Average Output Power, both channels driven (rated power) 406M, 408M, 408S 180 watts per channel into 4Ω from 40Hz to 20kHz, with no more than 0.15% THD 110... sold by weight, not by David Franzwa at Mackie Galactic Headquarters overlooking the beautiful Sammamish Slough in sunny Woodinville, WA. Preliminary text was written and laid out by volume. Rick Bos, Powered Mixer Product Manager and on the same Power Macintosh using Adobe® PageMaker® 6.5. Contributors...
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Block Diagrams PPM Series Powered Mixers Stereo Versions (408S, 808S) R L MON EFX R' L' 33 PHANTOM TRIM (INPUT LEVEL SET) 0 to 40dB INSERT -...Off to +20dB EFX SEND EFX CLIP EFX RETURN L EFX LEVEL Off to +12dB TIME/RATE DAMPING/DEPTH EFX WIDE MACKIE DESIGNS PPM STEREO BLOCK DIAGRAM (212029CJM/DF/SE) EMAC DSP EFX RETURN R EFX FOOT SWITCH EFX BYPASS EFX TO ... 125 250 500 1K 2K 4K 8K 16K LEFT MIXER OUT LEFT POWER AMP IN RIGHT MIXER OUT PWR AMP CHASSIS GROUND GROUND STEREO MAINS MONITOR LINE OUT AMP ROUTING MAIN/MONITOR RIGHT POWER AMP IN PWR AMP CHASSIS GROUND GROUND TAPE IN ...
Block Diagrams PPM Series Powered Mixers Stereo Versions (408S, 808S) R L MON EFX R' L' 33 PHANTOM TRIM (INPUT LEVEL SET) 0 to 40dB INSERT -...Off to +20dB EFX SEND EFX CLIP EFX RETURN L EFX LEVEL Off to +12dB TIME/RATE DAMPING/DEPTH EFX WIDE MACKIE DESIGNS PPM STEREO BLOCK DIAGRAM (212029CJM/DF/SE) EMAC DSP EFX RETURN R EFX FOOT SWITCH EFX BYPASS EFX TO ... 125 250 500 1K 2K 4K 8K 16K LEFT MIXER OUT LEFT POWER AMP IN RIGHT MIXER OUT PWR AMP CHASSIS GROUND GROUND STEREO MAINS MONITOR LINE OUT AMP ROUTING MAIN/MONITOR RIGHT POWER AMP IN PWR AMP CHASSIS GROUND GROUND TAPE IN ...