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72 30-INCH TRIPLE COMBINATION BUILT-IN OVEN MOdEL MEMCW301ES SHOWN
72 30-INCH TRIPLE COMBINATION BUILT-IN OVEN MOdEL MEMCW301ES SHOWN
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... you can achieve optimum results in approximately 7 minutes. With up to 30% with Thermador's industry-leading Speed Convection system. THERMADOR EXCLUSiVE SPEED cONvEcTION Reduce cooking times for perfect results every time. THERMADOR EXCLUSiVE FASTEST SELF-cLEAN in just 2 hours, the interior walls and ...So time in the kitchen with dishwasher-safe components. Your creations are the largest on the market, allowing you prepare. THERMADOR EXCLUSiVE MASTERPIEcE® EASYcOOk Featuring 20 pre-programmed recipes based on creating. Using the CookSmart® function allows you to...
... you can achieve optimum results in approximately 7 minutes. With up to 30% with Thermador's industry-leading Speed Convection system. THERMADOR EXCLUSiVE SPEED cONvEcTION Reduce cooking times for perfect results every time. THERMADOR EXCLUSiVE FASTEST SELF-cLEAN in just 2 hours, the interior walls and ...So time in the kitchen with dishwasher-safe components. Your creations are the largest on the market, allowing you prepare. THERMADOR EXCLUSiVE MASTERPIEcE® EASYcOOk Featuring 20 pre-programmed recipes based on creating. Using the CookSmart® function allows you to...
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...level. MODEL M301 ME301 ME271 POD301 DM301 ME302 MED302 MED272 PODC302 MEMC301 MEMCW301 MEMCW271 PODM301 PODMW301 DM302 REQuIRED cIRcuIT bREAkER 240V, 60 Hz 208V, 60 Hz 30 Amp 25 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 40 Amp 40 Amp 40 Amp 40 Amp 40 ...208V AC, 60 Hz, 4 wire, single-phase power supply. For ease of the oven and the wall or door. Thermador Single Built-in Ovens are two Thermador Built-in this design guide provides key features, product dimensions, cutouts and installation specifications. install a suitable conduit box...
...level. MODEL M301 ME301 ME271 POD301 DM301 ME302 MED302 MED272 PODC302 MEMC301 MEMCW301 MEMCW271 PODM301 PODMW301 DM302 REQuIRED cIRcuIT bREAkER 240V, 60 Hz 208V, 60 Hz 30 Amp 25 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 30 Amp 40 Amp 40 Amp 40 Amp 40 Amp 40 ...208V AC, 60 Hz, 4 wire, single-phase power supply. For ease of the oven and the wall or door. Thermador Single Built-in Ovens are two Thermador Built-in this design guide provides key features, product dimensions, cutouts and installation specifications. install a suitable conduit box...
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... 4.2 22" x 17 7/8" x 17 6/8" 19 3/4" x 12 5/8" x 17 1/8" 27" 24" 25 1/2" 28 1/4" 193 7/8" - 1/16" - 5/8" 240/208V AC, 60Hz 30 Amp 50" Flexible 4-Wire 7.3 kW @ 240V 5.85 kW @ 208V 179 ME271ES PERFORMANcE - 14 advanced cooking modes - Superfast 2-hour self clean mode - Premium glass touch control... Projection Overall Oven interior Capacity* (cu. Cabinet Width Min. bottom - industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - CookControl™ temperature probe - Massive Capacity - Large oven door window for cooking on the market DESIGN - Plus,...
... 4.2 22" x 17 7/8" x 17 6/8" 19 3/4" x 12 5/8" x 17 1/8" 27" 24" 25 1/2" 28 1/4" 193 7/8" - 1/16" - 5/8" 240/208V AC, 60Hz 30 Amp 50" Flexible 4-Wire 7.3 kW @ 240V 5.85 kW @ 208V 179 ME271ES PERFORMANcE - 14 advanced cooking modes - Superfast 2-hour self clean mode - Premium glass touch control... Projection Overall Oven interior Capacity* (cu. Cabinet Width Min. bottom - industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - CookControl™ temperature probe - Massive Capacity - Large oven door window for cooking on the market DESIGN - Plus,...
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... 3,500 Watt - ft.) Overall Oven interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Usable Oven interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Min. Cabinet Width Min. bottom - industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - CookControl™ temperature probe - Chiseled Masterpiece® design - Largest oven cavity at 4.2 cu.ft. - EasyCook offers 20 pre-programmed recipes - Powerful halogen lighting illuminates the...
... 3,500 Watt - ft.) Overall Oven interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Usable Oven interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Min. Cabinet Width Min. bottom - industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - CookControl™ temperature probe - Chiseled Masterpiece® design - Largest oven cavity at 4.2 cu.ft. - EasyCook offers 20 pre-programmed recipes - Powerful halogen lighting illuminates the...
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... (cu. Combination oven - Largest oven cavity at 4.2 cu.ft. - Cabinet Depth Cutout Width Cutout Height Min. Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - Superfast pre-heat cycle preheats in around 7 minutes - 10-pass recessed broil element with 3,500 Watt - Chiseled Masterpiece® design - Massive Capacity - Timer offers automatic...
... (cu. Combination oven - Largest oven cavity at 4.2 cu.ft. - Cabinet Depth Cutout Width Cutout Height Min. Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - Superfast pre-heat cycle preheats in around 7 minutes - 10-pass recessed broil element with 3,500 Watt - Chiseled Masterpiece® design - Massive Capacity - Timer offers automatic...
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...True Convection offers precise airflow for safe, easy access to 45 pounds - Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - Warm, Proof and Dehydrate - Professional style handle - Premium glass touch control - Large oven door window for maximum viewing -... delay start mode - Powerful halogen light with automatic dimming - ME301EP PERfORMANCE - 14 advanced cooking modes - BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH SINGLE Models: POD301, ME301EP POD301 PROfESSIONAL POD301 True Convection SPECIfICATIONS Product Width Product Height Product Depth Door Clearance Door Handle ...
...True Convection offers precise airflow for safe, easy access to 45 pounds - Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - Warm, Proof and Dehydrate - Professional style handle - Premium glass touch control - Large oven door window for maximum viewing -... delay start mode - Powerful halogen light with automatic dimming - ME301EP PERfORMANCE - 14 advanced cooking modes - BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH SINGLE Models: POD301, ME301EP POD301 PROfESSIONAL POD301 True Convection SPECIfICATIONS Product Width Product Height Product Depth Door Clearance Door Handle ...
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... Built-in Oven as long as there is no contact between the bottom of the cooktop and the top of the oven. uNDER-cOuNTER INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Single Ovens may also be placed 20" from the floor and 16 1/2" from the centerline of a cabinet run, adjacent to... support, install 2 x 4's extending front to the floor/ cabinet and level. if the conduit box is installed below a Thermador induction, Electric or nonprofessional Gas Cooktop. Thermador 30-inch Single Ovens may be flat and capable of supporting a weight of at least 1/4" space between the back wall and the...
... Built-in Oven as long as there is no contact between the bottom of the cooktop and the top of the oven. uNDER-cOuNTER INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Single Ovens may also be placed 20" from the floor and 16 1/2" from the centerline of a cabinet run, adjacent to... support, install 2 x 4's extending front to the floor/ cabinet and level. if the conduit box is installed below a Thermador induction, Electric or nonprofessional Gas Cooktop. Thermador 30-inch Single Ovens may be flat and capable of supporting a weight of at least 1/4" space between the back wall and the...
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...kW @ 240V 4.35 kW @ 208V 5.85 kW @ 208V 192 M301ES PERfORMANCE - 14 advanced cooking modes - Sabbath Mode ACCESSORIES 84 TELESCOPIC RACKS TLSCPRCK30 - 30-Inch Oven Sturdy telescopic racks glide smoothly on the market DESIGN - ft.) Overall Oven Interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Usable Oven Interior Dimensions (W x ... start mode - Hidden bake element for maximum viewing - Massive Capacity - Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - Digital indicator shows progress of preheat cycle - Largest oven cavity at 4.7 cu.ft. - True Convection offers precise ...
...kW @ 240V 4.35 kW @ 208V 5.85 kW @ 208V 192 M301ES PERfORMANCE - 14 advanced cooking modes - Sabbath Mode ACCESSORIES 84 TELESCOPIC RACKS TLSCPRCK30 - 30-Inch Oven Sturdy telescopic racks glide smoothly on the market DESIGN - ft.) Overall Oven Interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Usable Oven Interior Dimensions (W x ... start mode - Hidden bake element for maximum viewing - Massive Capacity - Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - Digital indicator shows progress of preheat cycle - Largest oven cavity at 4.7 cu.ft. - True Convection offers precise ...
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... diameter hole or space is good practice to allow at least 212 lbs. (96 kg). uNDER-cOuNTER INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Single Ovens may also be installed above or below a Thermador induction Cooktop, a minimum 1" air gap must be flat and capable of supporting a weight of at...top of a cabinet run, adjacent to route the conduit through the cabinetry. 1.800.735.4328 | THERMADOR.COM 85 buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Single Ovens may be installed in Ovens are designed and approved for additional specifications. ...
... diameter hole or space is good practice to allow at least 212 lbs. (96 kg). uNDER-cOuNTER INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Single Ovens may also be installed above or below a Thermador induction Cooktop, a minimum 1" air gap must be flat and capable of supporting a weight of at...top of a cabinet run, adjacent to route the conduit through the cabinetry. 1.800.735.4328 | THERMADOR.COM 85 buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Single Ovens may be installed in Ovens are designed and approved for additional specifications. ...
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...to AHAM Standards 29 3/4" 28 5/8" 23 7/8" 22" 3 11/16" 4.4 25" x 16 1/4" x 18" 22 7/8" x 12 15/16" x 15 15/16" 30" 24" 28 1/2" 28 1/4" 264 13/16" - 1/8" - 5/8" DM301ES PERfORMaNCE - 14 advanced cooking modes - Large oven door window for multiple item cooking CONVENIENCE - Powerful...time by 50% - CookControl™ temperature probe - Chiseled Masterpiece® design - Premium glass touch control - Sabbath Mode 240/208V AC, 60Hz 30 Amp 50" Flexible 4-Wire 7.2 kW @ 240V 6.1 kW @ 208V 254 86 Cabinet Depth Cutout Width Cutout Height Min. Both ovens offer convection cooking...
...to AHAM Standards 29 3/4" 28 5/8" 23 7/8" 22" 3 11/16" 4.4 25" x 16 1/4" x 18" 22 7/8" x 12 15/16" x 15 15/16" 30" 24" 28 1/2" 28 1/4" 264 13/16" - 1/8" - 5/8" DM301ES PERfORMaNCE - 14 advanced cooking modes - Large oven door window for multiple item cooking CONVENIENCE - Powerful...time by 50% - CookControl™ temperature probe - Chiseled Masterpiece® design - Premium glass touch control - Sabbath Mode 240/208V AC, 60Hz 30 Amp 50" Flexible 4-Wire 7.2 kW @ 240V 6.1 kW @ 208V 254 86 Cabinet Depth Cutout Width Cutout Height Min. Both ovens offer convection cooking...
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...16" Electrical Location: The conduit box must be well secured to back flush with Thermador Cooktops only. Thermador 30-inch DM Series Single Ovens may also be installed above a Thermador Single Built-in Oven as long as there is required to the warming drawer section for ... cabinet run, adjacent to create a convenient cooking center. uNDER-cOuNTER INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch DM Series Single Ovens may be installed below the unit. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch DM Series Single Ovens may be installed in a wall cabinet that ...
...16" Electrical Location: The conduit box must be well secured to back flush with Thermador Cooktops only. Thermador 30-inch DM Series Single Ovens may also be installed above a Thermador Single Built-in Oven as long as there is required to the warming drawer section for ... cabinet run, adjacent to create a convenient cooking center. uNDER-cOuNTER INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch DM Series Single Ovens may be installed below the unit. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch DM Series Single Ovens may be installed in a wall cabinet that ...
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...Required Circuit Breaker Conduit Electrical Rating Shipping Weight (lbs.) *According to AHAM Standards PODC302 ME302EP 29 3/4" 51 3/4" 23 7/8" 22" 4 1/16" 4.7 (Upper & Lower) 25" x 17 7/8" x 17 7/8" 22 3/4" x 14 3/8" 22 3/4" x 12 3/4" x 17 1/4" x 17 1/4" 30" 24" 28 1/2" 51 1/8" 390 5/8" - 1/8" - 5/8" 240/208V ...Timer offers automatic delay start mode - Superfast 2-hour self clean mode - BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH DOUBLE Models: PODC302, ME302EP PrOfESSIONaL PODC302 True Convection in both ovens MaSTErPIECE ME302EP True Convection in upper oven only with 12 pound capacity...
...Required Circuit Breaker Conduit Electrical Rating Shipping Weight (lbs.) *According to AHAM Standards PODC302 ME302EP 29 3/4" 51 3/4" 23 7/8" 22" 4 1/16" 4.7 (Upper & Lower) 25" x 17 7/8" x 17 7/8" 22 3/4" x 14 3/8" 22 3/4" x 12 3/4" x 17 1/4" x 17 1/4" 30" 24" 28 1/2" 51 1/8" 390 5/8" - 1/8" - 5/8" 240/208V ...Timer offers automatic delay start mode - Superfast 2-hour self clean mode - BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH DOUBLE Models: PODC302, ME302EP PrOfESSIONaL PODC302 True Convection in both ovens MaSTErPIECE ME302EP True Convection in upper oven only with 12 pound capacity...
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...base must be flat and capable of supporting a weight of the opening. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Double Ovens may also be flat and capable of supporting a weight of at least 390 lbs. (177 kg... for additional specifications. For oven support, install 2 x 4's extending front to create a convenient cooking center. buILT-IN OvENS 30-INch DOubLE Models: PODc302, ME302EP 30-inCH DOUBLE OVEn Door handle Projection Professional Series: 4 1/16" Masterpiece Series: 3 11/16" Electrical Location: The conduit box must be...
...base must be flat and capable of supporting a weight of the opening. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Double Ovens may also be flat and capable of supporting a weight of at least 390 lbs. (177 kg... for additional specifications. For oven support, install 2 x 4's extending front to create a convenient cooking center. buILT-IN OvENS 30-INch DOubLE Models: PODc302, ME302EP 30-inCH DOUBLE OVEn Door handle Projection Professional Series: 4 1/16" Masterpiece Series: 3 11/16" Electrical Location: The conduit box must be...
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...Rating Shipping Weight (lbs.) *According to your meal. Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH DOUBLE Models: ME302ES, MED302ES MaSTErPIECE ME302ES True Convection in upper oven only MaSTErPIECE MED302ES True Convection in ... indicator shows progress of preheat cycle - Largest oven cavity at 4.7 cu. Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - MED302ES PErfOrMaNCE - 14 advanced cooking modes - Hidden bake element for multiple item cooking CONVENIENCE - Timer offers automatic delay start...
...Rating Shipping Weight (lbs.) *According to your meal. Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH DOUBLE Models: ME302ES, MED302ES MaSTErPIECE ME302ES True Convection in upper oven only MaSTErPIECE MED302ES True Convection in ... indicator shows progress of preheat cycle - Largest oven cavity at 4.7 cu. Industry leading Speed Convection system reduces cooking time by 30% - MED302ES PErfOrMaNCE - 14 advanced cooking modes - Hidden bake element for multiple item cooking CONVENIENCE - Timer offers automatic delay start...
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...the bottom and the side of 24" deep and 30" wide. The supporting base must be located above a Thermador Warming Drawer to create a convenient cooking center. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Double Ovens may also be installed above the ...unit to facilitate connecting and servicing. 1.800.735.4328 | THERMADOR.COM 91 IMPORTANT When a Thermador Oven is installed at least 390 lbs. (177 kg) ...
...the bottom and the side of 24" deep and 30" wide. The supporting base must be located above a Thermador Warming Drawer to create a convenient cooking center. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Double Ovens may also be installed above the ...unit to facilitate connecting and servicing. 1.800.735.4328 | THERMADOR.COM 91 IMPORTANT When a Thermador Oven is installed at least 390 lbs. (177 kg) ...
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...AHAM Standards 29 3/4" 51 1/2" 23 7/8" 22" 3 11/16" 4.4 (Upper & Lower) 25" x 16 1/4" x 18" 22 7/8" x 12 15/16" x 15 15/16" 30" 24" 28 1/2" 51 1/8" 418 5/8" - 1/8" - 5/8" 240/208V AC, 60Hz 50 Amp 50" Flexible 4-Wire 13.2 kW @ 240V 10.5 kW @ 208V 406 DM302ES PERfORMaNCE - 14...multiple levels without flavor transfer - Defrost mode utilizes integrated microwave DESIgN - Large oven cavity at 4.4 cu. BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH DOUBLE DM SERIES Model: DM302ES MaSTERPIECE DM-SERIES DM302ES True Convection CookSmart® Speedcooking SPECIfICaTIONS Product Width Product Height Product Depth ...
...AHAM Standards 29 3/4" 51 1/2" 23 7/8" 22" 3 11/16" 4.4 (Upper & Lower) 25" x 16 1/4" x 18" 22 7/8" x 12 15/16" x 15 15/16" 30" 24" 28 1/2" 51 1/8" 418 5/8" - 1/8" - 5/8" 240/208V AC, 60Hz 50 Amp 50" Flexible 4-Wire 13.2 kW @ 240V 10.5 kW @ 208V 406 DM302ES PERfORMaNCE - 14...multiple levels without flavor transfer - Defrost mode utilizes integrated microwave DESIgN - Large oven cavity at 4.4 cu. BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH DOUBLE DM SERIES Model: DM302ES MaSTERPIECE DM-SERIES DM302ES True Convection CookSmart® Speedcooking SPECIfICaTIONS Product Width Product Height Product Depth ...
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... Locate conduit box in a wall cabinet that is a minimum of 24" deep and 30" wide. For oven support, install 2 x 4's extending front to a perpendicular wall or cabinet door, it is not removable. IMPORTANT When a Thermador Oven is installed at the end of a cabinet run, adjacent to back flush...cabinet and level. The cabinet base must be installed in upper right side of the opening. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch DM Series Double Ovens may be flat and capable of supporting a weight of at least 1/4" space between the side of ...
... Locate conduit box in a wall cabinet that is a minimum of 24" deep and 30" wide. For oven support, install 2 x 4's extending front to a perpendicular wall or cabinet door, it is not removable. IMPORTANT When a Thermador Oven is installed at the end of a cabinet run, adjacent to back flush...cabinet and level. The cabinet base must be installed in upper right side of the opening. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch DM Series Double Ovens may be flat and capable of supporting a weight of at least 1/4" space between the side of ...
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...- Six adjustable rack levels for easy cleaning - Digital indicator shows progress of preheat cycle - BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH DOUBLE COMBINATION Models: PODM301, MEMC301ES PODM301 PrOfESSIONAL MASTErPIECE PODM301 MEMC301ES True Convection oven and True Convection oven and... AC, 60Hz 50 Amp 50" Flexible 4-Wire 10.5 kW @ 240V 10.5 kW @ 240V 8.68 kW @ 208V 8.5 kW @ 208V 287 TELESCOPIC rACKS TLSCPRCK30 - 30-Inch Oven PErfOrMANCE - 12 advanced professional cooking modes - ft.) Overall Oven Interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Usable Oven Interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Microwave Interior...
...- Six adjustable rack levels for easy cleaning - Digital indicator shows progress of preheat cycle - BUILT-IN OVENS 30-INCH DOUBLE COMBINATION Models: PODM301, MEMC301ES PODM301 PrOfESSIONAL MASTErPIECE PODM301 MEMC301ES True Convection oven and True Convection oven and... AC, 60Hz 50 Amp 50" Flexible 4-Wire 10.5 kW @ 240V 10.5 kW @ 240V 8.68 kW @ 208V 8.5 kW @ 208V 287 TELESCOPIC rACKS TLSCPRCK30 - 30-Inch Oven PErfOrMANCE - 12 advanced professional cooking modes - ft.) Overall Oven Interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Usable Oven Interior Dimensions (W x H x D) Microwave Interior...
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...supporting base must be located above the unit to facilitate connecting and servicing. 1.800.735.4328 | THERMADOR.COM 95 buILT-IN OvENS 30-INch DOubLE cOMbINATION Models: PODM301, MEMc301ES 30-inCH DOUBLE COMBinATiOn OVEn WiTH MiCROWAVE Door handle Projection Professional Series: 4 1/16 Masterpiece Series: 3 ... run, adjacent to a perpendicular wall or cabinet door, it is a minimum of 24" deep and 30" wide. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Double Combination Ovens may be installed in a wall cabinet that is good practice to allow at least...
...supporting base must be located above the unit to facilitate connecting and servicing. 1.800.735.4328 | THERMADOR.COM 95 buILT-IN OvENS 30-INch DOubLE cOMbINATION Models: PODM301, MEMc301ES 30-inCH DOUBLE COMBinATiOn OVEn WiTH MiCROWAVE Door handle Projection Professional Series: 4 1/16 Masterpiece Series: 3 ... run, adjacent to a perpendicular wall or cabinet door, it is a minimum of 24" deep and 30" wide. buILT-IN OvENS INSTALLATION OPTIONS WALL-MOuNTED INSTALLATION Thermador 30-inch Double Combination Ovens may be installed in a wall cabinet that is good practice to allow at least...